Having Words

Having Words

Having Words

Tim and I have been meeting with a counselor (not marriage counseling… it’s a private matter, thanks for your concern). The counselor is legally blind. I wondered whether his blindness gave him any type of advantage or disadvantage compared to sighted counselors. He’s not seeing facial expressions, but perhaps he’s picking up nuances in voice inflection or word choice that sighted counselors might miss.

I looked for some peer-reviewed studies, and I was surprised to find very little information available. I did, however, come across this fascinating blog, Insight for the Blind.

More words, please.

Our counselor instructed us to be free with verbal cues where we might otherwise use non-verbal gestures like smiling or nodding. Like words, one’s facial expressions can be manipulated to create a clearer impression of the heart, or perhaps, a false impression. Skilled negotiators, successful business people, politicians, and the like seem to have a knack for seeing and hearing minute details that others miss — a micro-expression like a curled lip or wrinkled nose, an awkward sentence structure or slightly elevated inflection.

Perhaps we rely too much on one form of expression over the other as we communicate. In the age of technology and digital communication, we can potentially under-rely on both.

I’ve never met one of my coworkers. Her name is Payal. She lives in India. When I tell her about a conversation I had, I say, “I talked to so-and-so…” When she tells me about a conversation she had, she says, “I had words with so-and-so…” I like her way better. It emphasizes the mutual exchange of words.

Digital Words

Just the other day my twenty-one year son cautioned me, “Humor doesn’t translate well in text messages, Mom.”

For most of us, we have to be careful about relying too heavily on digital communication. For some people, like film critic Roger Ebert, digital communication is (in Ebert’s case, was) essential.

When [he] lost his lower jaw to cancer, he lost the ability to eat and speak. But he did not lose his voice. In a moving talk from TED2011, Ebert and his wife, Chaz, with friends Dean Ornish and John Hunter, come together to tell his remarkable story.

It’s called Remaking My Voice. Ebert said,

For billions of years, the universe evolved completely without notice. Now we live in the age of the internet, which seems to be creating a form of global consciousness. And because of it, I can communicate as well as I ever could. We are born into a box of time and space. We use words and communication to break out of it and to reach out to others.

For me, the internet began as a useful tool and now has become something I rely on for my actual daily existence. I cannot speak. I can only type so fast. Computer voices are sometimes not very sophisticated, but with my computer, I can communicate more widely than ever before. I feel as if my blog, my email, Twitter, and Facebook have given me a substitute for everyday conversation.They aren’t an improvement, but they’re the best I can do. They give me a way to speak.

Not everybody has the patience of my wife Chaz, but online everybody speaks at the same speed. This whole adventure has been a learning experience. Every time there was a surgery that failed, I was left with a little less flesh and bone. Now I have no jaw left at all. […]

When you see me today, I look like the Phantom of the Opera. It is human nature to look at someone like me and assume that I have lost some of my marbles. People talk loudly and slowly to me. Sometimes they assume I am deaf. There are people who don’t want to make eye contact. It is human nature to look away from illness. We don’t enjoy a reminder of our own fragile mortality.

That’s why writing on the internet has become a lifesaver for me. My ability to think and write have not been affected, and on the web, my real voice finds expression. I have also met many other disabled people who communicate this way.

One of my twitter friends can type only with his toes. One of the funniest blogs on the web is written by a friend of mine named Smart Ass Cripple. Google him and he will make you laugh. All of these people are saying in one way or another that what you see is not all you get.

While I would disagree with Ebert’s self assessment, “I look like the Phantom of the Opera,” he did have a permanent expression of open-mouthed astonishment due to having no jaw. This, in combination with his inability to speak sheds new light on what I wrote earlier:

Perhaps we rely too much on one form of expression over the other as we communicate. Or perhaps, in the age of technology and digital communication, we under-rely on both.

The internet is giving voice to people who would otherwise be isolated or marginalized. Ebert said,

I am productive. If I were in this condition at any point before a few cosmological instants ago, I would be as isolated as a hermit. I would trapped inside my head. Because of the rush of human knowledge, because of the digital revolution, I have a voice, and I do not need to scream.

Fewer words, please.

The internet may also be creating an entirely new way of communicating with one another in face-to-face conversations. I’m not sure how accurate what I’m about to write is, because it is based on fading childhood and teenage memories contrasted with clear, fresh adult ones. But I’ll write it anyhow: It seems like people interrupt each other more than ever before.

Have you ever watched the news, and there’s some debate between a few people, and everyone starts talking at once? And they aren’t doing it by accident? One person continues to talk, knowing full well that another person is talking at the same time. It’s like there needs to be someone in a black and white striped shirt who blows a whistle and calls foul.

It’s that bad.

No room for words

Quiet people seem to open up in conversations with fewer people involved. I suspect it’s because the natural flow of conversation with four or more people seems more like a competition for air-time, like a real-life Twitter conversation, where everyone is hoping they can say something trendworthy. In one-on-one conversations or conversations with three people, there’s less urgency to contend for the attention of listeners. But when four or more people are present, the competition begins.

When quiet people begin to speak, someone interrupts, and they stop speaking. By the time a pause in the conversation opens, they’ve forgotten all about what they had intended to say before, because they were too busy LISTENING. Or if they still remember, the conversation has evolved into a completely different direction, and their comments are no longer relevant to the topic at hand. Well, they should speak up then, people say, as if there were actually a natural opportunity to do so.

But it’s not all bad.

Let’s have words.

We now have face-to-face conversations we might not otherwise have had, because the internet is acting as an ice-breaker. Take WhatGodDoes, for example. Certain subjects are glossed over or avoided altogether in the institutional church. When I wrote blogs about the things that were not being discussed, I lost my job. Sure, that might look bad, but getting fired for proclaiming that Jesus actually succeeded in His mission to seek and save the lost, and not just some, but ALL of them — this was a real-life conversation starter.

Life naturally makes a stir—it seems inevitable that it should do so—and it is better that men should think, even though they think amiss, than that they should not think at all! I am not aware that the cattle in the fields have any diversity of judgment—it is no cause for wonder that there should be agreement where mind is absent. But it seems all but inevitable that where there is mind, where there is thought, where weighty subjects are considered and discussed, there should be differences of opinion. And it is better that there should be those differences than that there should be the apathy, the indifference, the smell of death! — C.H. Spurgeon

Some people don’t know how to handle the fact that the ice is breaking. They use tactics ranging from discreet avoidance to open shunning in order to circumvent those virtual world conversations that have shown up uninvited in real-life, face-to-face communication.

Making space for words

Ebert said, “We use words and communication to break out of it and to reach out to others.” Think about it. Creation itself was formed via the Word of God.

And God said, “Let there be light, and there was light.”

As human beings created in His image, our words have a power that extends beyond the space and time in which they are first spoken. Words can be used to inspire, encourage peace, or usher in necessary change. The words of grown-ups help shape the kind of people children become, and those children, as grown-ups, do the same. As a society, we are influenced by the words of people who have been dead for centuries. Yet as powerful as words can be, they require space and time in order to be.

On the internet, space and time are abundant. Words have room to be. At their convenience, people can take five minutes to give words a once-over or five hours to dissect and scrutinize, and then challenge or digest.

In the real world, we need to be mindful about providing each other the space and time for giving and receiving words. Ask questions and then actively listen to answers without simultaneously forming a response. Practice listening without judgment. Pay attention to what people say and how they say it. Use words, as well as vocal and facial expressions that reflect the intentions of the heart. And let the internet be a real-life, face-to-face conversation starter.

 

Comments
  • Mary Vanderplas March 9, 2015 at 5:05 am

    I like what you say about digital communication enabling people who otherwise would have no voice to share their thoughts and connect with others as readily as those who are able to speak can. And I like what you say about the internet opening the way for discussion of controversial subjects that otherwise might not, or likely would not, be addressed. I agree about the power of words to create and bring change and about the internet providing the opportunity for people to listen thoughtfully to what others say in an effort to understand and with openness to being changed by what is heard.

    Your advice about practicing good listening skills and about speaking to reveal and not conceal is right on and important – reflecting understanding that speaking and listening are prerequisite to true human community. Thanks for the insightful and stimulating blog.

  • Stephen Helbig March 9, 2015 at 6:07 am

    Alice, once again your blog has complemented my day, and I find great joy with all the refreshing colors of the Golden nuggets within this writing of “Having Words”. ~ I too can say “I am Orange” while liking its taste. 😉 ~ The wisdom placemats that you’ve set before us, allow us to feast as “skilled negotiators, successful people, and the like (which) seem to have a knack for seeing and hearing minute details that others can and will miss.” ~ These special ingredients you’ve outlined are needed in the feast of face to face communication of which you speak, and I am reminded that we all beholding in a glass the glory of the lord are able by His Grace to create a “clearer impression of the heart”, as we gaze upon Him, in pursuit of our walk and talk. ~ I love a Face to Face communication, (in koinōnia fellowship), and your admonitions and warnings are of great benefit. I am particularly partial to the descriptions in your following quote ~

    “It’s that bad. ~ No room for words!
    Quiet people seem to open up in conversations with fewer people involved. I suspect it’s because the natural flow of conversation with four or more people seems more like a competition for air-time, like a real-life Twitter conversation, where everyone is hoping they can say something trend worthy. In one-on-one conversations or conversations with three people, there’s less urgency to contend for the attention of listeners. But when four or more people are present, the competition begins. ~ (but doesn’t have to)
    When quiet people (with a meek and quiet spirit) begin to speak, someone interrupts, and they stop speaking. By the time a pause in the conversation opens, they’ve forgotten all about what they had intended to say before; because they were too busy LISTENING (slow to speak quick to hear). ~ Or if they still remember, (but) the conversation has evolved into a completely different direction, and their comments are no longer relevant to the topic at hand. ~ Well, they should speak up then, (the loud and intrusive) people say, as if there were actually a natural opportunity to do so.
    But it’s not all bad. ~ Let’s have words.”

    I find your above writing to be an expression of esteem, and a respectful recognition to advancing ones communication while boosting morale, and a moral compass to direct our paths. Your words complement and compliment face to face koinōnia fellowship.

    “Words can be used to inspire, encourage peace, or usher in necessary change” ~ Thank you Alice

    We must create as you declare, for ~ “As human beings created in His image our words have a power that extends beyond the space and time in which they are first spoken” ~ Great Blog to start my day !!!!!!!! ~ Thanks

    • Stephen Helbig March 10, 2015 at 11:36 pm

      I‘ve read and re-read your blog today, (? Maybe five hours or more? 🙂 to dissect and scrutinize) 😉 , and have been fully captivated by thoughts of ~ More Words Please ~

      The Heart of the matter in Face to Face “koinōnia” fellowship is so much more than the simply “Having Words” (literally), as seen in the context outlined here in your blog, and in my journey in dissecting and scrutinizing, these are my findings of the true Heart of matter found.

      In the days and ages to come let it be, that the Lord of Glory orchestrates thru us and in us, a harmonic symphonic dealing with having the right notes, 🙂 “the right stuff” 🙂 , “Filled with Heartfelt Words with perfect pitch”. ~ Let each and every person enter in to this chorus of healing, with Jesus being our Conductor. ~ We must place and lay our hands (and all senses) upon those instrumental strings to each heart. ~ Let His Wonderful Melodious Grace proclaim the Revelation knowledge of His Wisdom to us and thru us, so we All may Sing a New Song, with new mind, and new heart, thru the penetrating eyes of our Lord of Glory. ~ Finally becoming fully enabled to welcome and experience the resurrection of the old to the new with culmination in the crescendo of Great Reconciliation for ALL to the Throne of His Glory. ~ A new day where we can see Face to Face in the koinōnia of becoming ONE in the Glory of the Lord.

      Consider this short potion of a note a dear brother in the Lord shared ~ “Maybe Hell is like this” ~ “A RESTORATIVE PROCESS” ~
      ~ “Imagine this as a possible scenario for hell: ~ Jesus brings together those who are at odds in the kingdom and he acts as mediator to bring about peace. Now this is very painful but restorative. Prior hurts are brought up. Both sides begin to feel the others’ pain. Maybe Jesus gets each party to put their hands on the heart of the other person and they get revelation. They experience things from the other’s persons’ experience. They relive it. The perpetrator feels the pain they caused the victim: there is weeping and gnashing of teeth! The victim puts his hand on the heart of the perpetrator and sees and feels his past and learns that he too was a victim earlier in life; there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.” ~ Santo Calarco ©

      p.s. ~ To go into much more scriptural detail of this above quote see Santo’s note in the link below for it contains many scripture references~

      https://www.facebook.com/notes/santo-calarco/what-jesus-really-wanted-us-to-know-about-gehenna-hell/10152482505929533

      BUT FIRST ~ see the p,s,s, ~ below

      p.s.s. ~ EMPATHY ~ The fuel of our “face to face” communication in “Having Words”

      ~ As Mary states in her comment to Alice ~ “… Your advice about practicing good listening skills and about speaking to reveal and not conceal is right on and important…”
      ~ Alice reiterates ~ “More words, please.” ~ WHY? ~ “To create a clearer impression of the heart”

      ~ A cry for Empathy ~
      Check out these two short videos ~ (before reading the link to Santo’s note above) ~

      http://youtu.be/1Evwgu369Jw
      http://youtu.be/l7AWnfFRc7g?list=PLAC6A96147985201C

      p.s.s.t. ~ Let the true and Living God rule and reign in the heart given to us in Christ Jesus. ~

      🙂 Much Thanks again for putting forth and “creating” our “ Having words” ~ Alice, you truly breath in, and breath out the Heart of God ~ here/hear ~ @What God Does
      ~ More Words Please!!!!! 🙂

      ~ “Words can be used to inspire, encourage peace, or usher in necessary change” ~ “Use words, as well as vocal and facial expressions that reflect the intentions of the heart” ~ end quote Alice

      • Stephen Helbig March 11, 2015 at 6:52 am

        This is an apology to anyone who has tried to utilizing the above URL in reference to Santo’s quote above. ~ In Utilizing the URL link, which I posted above, one will notice that no accessibility is granted unless you have a Facebook account AND you have a current “Friend” “status” with Santo. ~

        However, I think I’ve figure out the techy fixes to view this copyrighted material. ~ Santo’s has graciously allowed me to give access thru the following Facebook URL with public accessibility to all FB account holders. ~ All you need is to have is a Facebook Account and click on the URL link below to view ~

        https://www.facebook.com/notes/stephen-helbig/what-jesus-really-wanted-us-to-know-about-gehenna-hell-written-by-santo-calarco-/628262843940634?pnref=story

        ~ This full note, written by Santo Calarco, (A Pastor/Teacher) from Sydney, Australia, is quite lengthy, (about 16 pages and just over 7,000 words) ~ But it is really interesting and very comprehensive addressing every scripture where Jesus utilized the word “Hell” in New Testament found in the KJV; NIV, NASB, NRSV. & NKJV translations. ~ This teaching is entitled ~ “What Jesus really wanted us to know about Gehenna-hell” ~ And it delivers a powerful aspect of Gehenna-HELL that is overlooked by most

        Hope this new link above works, and I am SORRY for any inconvenience caused to anyone due to my lack of knowledge of different settings in the accessibility in previously set FB privacy settings.

        p.s. Alice, CHECK IT OUT when you have some time 🙂 ~ This teaching is definitely worth it’s weight in Gold

        • Lanny A. Eichert March 11, 2015 at 3:03 pm

          Stephen, “Maybe Hell is like this” and “Imagine this” is all Santo Calarco has. Are you falling for imaginations now?

          Jude 6 even in the YLT has “bonds everlasting” proving everlasting torment is the final state of the damned. Everlasting, ἀΐδιος aïdios

          messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept

          Also see Romans 1: 20 same word for “both his eternal power and Godhead”

          As I told Alice: They’ve been bound since they sinned and they will stand bound in judgment and will never cease to be bound, not ever. Here’s a class of fallen angels who will never be freed. That word is translated BOTH everlasting and eternal. That word proves eternal torment and if one class is eternally bound in torment there are certain to be others. “Under darkness” means they have no illumination by which to learn anything anew such as the truth of the Gospel. Those spirits are stagnant.

          Now she seems to think εἰς κρίσιν by virtue of εἰς “to a particular purpose or result” requires change to reveal purpose or result. She missed the resultant change is the completion of God’s judgment from which there is no appeal. They were and are everlastingly bound awaiting judgment, will be everlastingly bound during judgment, and will be everlasting bound after judgment; however their judgment will be accomplished. The change Alice seeks is the completion of their judgment, only she overlooked it.

          • Stephen Helbig March 13, 2015 at 12:47 am

            Imagination is a wonderful word To Be Experienced. ~
            ~ (imāgin-, stem of imāgō image + -ātus -ate) + -iōn ~ (ion -a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English ~
            ~ (and so Lanny, I (ātus) :0 (Taste and SEE that the Lord is Good)

            IMAGINATION; ~ listed below are 4 definitions as found in Enacarta Dictionary: English ~ (North America)

            [1.] Ability to visualize ~ the ability to “form images” and ideas in the “mind”, especially of things “never seen or experienced directly” ~ :) ~ (and so Lanny, I “form” these “images” in my mind daily, for scripture declares) ~

            ~ (2 Corinthians 3:18) ~ And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate … ~
            … And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed
            into the same “IMAGE” from one degree of glory to another. …

            ~ (2 Corinthians 4:18) ~ So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on … ~
            … we not looking to the things seen, but to the “THINGS NOT SEEN”; for the things
            seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during. …

            [2.] “Creative part of mind” ~ the part of the mind where ideas, thoughts, and “images: are “formed”. ~ :) ~ (and so Lanny, ~ “TRANSFORMED” by renewed “MIND”, ~ We are commanded in scripture to think on these THINGS… ) ~ (Gospel of GOOD NEWS)

            ~ (Romans 12:2 ~ ) Do not conform to the pattern of this world, … ~
            …And do not be conformed to this world, but be “TRANSFORMED” by the renewing of your MIND, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and “perfect”.

            [3.] Resourcefulness ~ the ability to think of ways of dealing with difficulties or problems ~ :) ~ (and yes Lanny I find image very useful ( being created in HIS “image”)

            [4.] Creative act ~ an act of creating a semblance of reality, especially in literature  ~ 🙂 ~ (and so Lanny, the literature I use daily,(The Bible), ~ is “(((#1)))” in my esteem, ~ and is on many other ”top seller” lists for purposes of mirroring imagination)

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            p.s. ~ Yes Lanny, there are indeed VAIN Imaginations that we are to escape, as we are reminded of in scripture ~ “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ”

            also~ Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him
            “… Because, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
            but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened … “

            ( note~ “darkened” as opposed to Light; ~ Chose Light, Life, Love, Unity Wholeness, All in All, with Thankfulness ~ Attaining to the WHOLE measure of the FULLNESS of Christ

            ___________________________________________________________________________

            p.s.s.s. ~ Lanny, ~ Just sent you via email, Santo’s above note for easy access, since you stated as reference ONLY ~ “Maybe Hell is like this” and “Imagine this” is all Santo Calarco has” : ~ Well that’s NOT all Santo’s has, regarding the subject matter of said paragraph; as I stated the note contains much more content with over 7,000 words associated, and numerous references in regards to the actual warnings of Jesus concerning this grave :0 matter.
            I felt it necessary to send due to your lacking critique of the actual scriptural content Santo outlined.

            • Lanny A. Eichert March 13, 2015 at 12:57 am

              Stephen, denying everlasting torment is that argument which exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, so why would I even want to read your email and corrupt my mind with evil imaginations?

              • Stephen Helbig March 13, 2015 at 2:35 am

                Santo Does NOT deny αἰώνιος ~ But is rather “Most EMPHATIC” about the subject matter concerning Jesus’s warnings about HELL as you will find stated throughout his note. If you would read it you would then realize how fallacious your statements are thus far.

                The reason for reading his note is simply this , ~ You would then have a basis for “Having Words” concerning this subject matter that you insist on critiquing without any regard for it’s stated content while having no idea about his premises as he states. 😉

                The usage of a premise in discourse and in logic or in”{Having Words)” that confront a matter, is an absolute necessity! Yet you fail to know anything about what is outlined

                The premise is a statement that an argument claims will induce or justify a conclusion. In other words: a premise is an assumption that something is true or logical, ~ In the course of having words one will require a set of (at least) two declarative sentences (or “propositions”) known as the premises, along with another declarative sentence (or “proposition”) known as the conclusion for any controversial statements to be maid (it seems to me you reach to many conclusions without this cordial process. This structure of two premises and one conclusion forms the basic argumentative structure and logical discourse you so desire to have yet fail to supply. Not knowing a premise is well totally illogical and thus makes it wholly impossible to continue. In Santo’s note you have no idea of Santo’s said premise, and It is very hard to continue to comment with you or have words that are indeed profitable and done in a Berean attitude. (which Acts 17: 11 says is a very noble way)

                I truly hope and pray this helps in further comments with me and my comments with you.
                as seen in scripture a sure example
                ~ “The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.…’
                ~ ( notice this also helps other as well… as seen in the last few words quoted ~ “along with a number of … women and men)

                • Stephen Helbig March 13, 2015 at 3:35 am

                  Lanny A. EichertMarch 13, 2015 at 12:57 am
                  Stephen, denying everlasting torment is that argument which exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, so why would I even want to read your email and corrupt my mind with evil imaginations?

                  Let me respond in part to your question above with another question as politely as I can . ~ Why (?) Lanny would you read my comments here @ whatgodoes when you have repeatedly labeled these (“my”) comments as a corruption of the knowledge of God’s Word as stated in most of our “Having Word” on this bloq site?

                  Now Lanny believe me when I say ~ ” That in asking you this question, I truly do not desire an answer from you as I’ve literally stated in what you read”. ~ But I am also somewhat confused as to the incongruity of this question. ~ Perhaps it is the incongruity that moves us, such large enthusiasms in such small bodies ~ Lanny, I really truly enjoy reading your comments, and without them there would be great loss for me as well as others. I know you are here out of a great concern for others. ~ You see, I like and enjoy the proverb that states “Iron sharpens Iron, and so we sharpen each other” in our “Having Words”. along with a countenance of The Lord of Glory revealed in us and for us. ~ I also know you have the Good Seed of God’s heart, ( which in residence is within), just as I see this seed and The Heart of God’s in All. of His creation, knowing ~ (the fact that this seed is now buried or sprouted is irrelevant), for God gives the increase and makes it grow.

                  ~ I do know the reason why you and I are here. ~ and that is we must all come to the Knowledge and truth of who God is and what God does.

                  • Lanny A. Eichert March 14, 2015 at 5:16 am

                    Stephen, I don’t want any one to think I am friendly toward you. I hope you and they realize I count you and your friends as my hated enemies seeking to destroy the truth of everlasting torment.

                    Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. {Psalm 139: 21 – 24}

            • Lanny A. Eichert March 13, 2015 at 1:20 am

              Stephen, Jude 6
              And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting { δεσμοῖς ἀϊδίοις } chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

              Sufficient is ἀϊδίοις to prove everlasting torment without remedy for the post-mortem damned. They never get free, and if they don’t, neither do others. Your hope is ruined.

              • Stephen Helbig March 13, 2015 at 8:45 am

                Lanny , Iam sorry for all THREE duplicate posts to you earlier today; I have no idea what happened on my end with my OLD OLD Laptop or my OLD Older me. ~ { stuck button, I really don’t know} { ????????????? }

                (?) } ~ Really I am bemused, 🙁 I don’t know what happened or how, but I have asked Alice to eliminate all duplicates to clear the mess that was created. ~ What I do know and am certain of is this ~ I wanted you to notice 🙂 That YOU ARE VALUED here @ what goddoes by me. ~

                ` With regards to your most recent question to me on, ~

                March 13, 2015 at 1:20 am

                ~ I will set a “special day” “and time” ~ shortly 🙂
                ~ I am looking forward to that that great day of “Having more Words” with you!
                ~ so “unto” that “steve/ Lanny day” of “More Words Please” ~ Smile with me or better yet 🙂 @ me for todays uproar in my techy world I created here earlier today with my very noticeable multiplied comment to you

            • Lanny A. Eichert March 13, 2015 at 1:57 pm

              Stephen, 7,000 words is too lengthy for me and I would have to download a program to open the document. The word restorative was sufficient to describe his point. Balak hired Balaam to curse Israel. Balam knew he was not to do that and yet he asked God if He would allow him to go. It cost Balam a bruised leg/foot and a rebuking from a jackass’s mouth. The moral of the story is don’t ask God to let you do what He already told you “No.” Jude 6 is sufficient to debunk restorative. Why do you, and not only do I mean singular but also plural, not heed Jude 6’s everlasting chains & John 3: 36’s abiding wrath? The Bible ends with the Lake of Fire populated without remedy. That’s everlasting chains and abiding wrath. You people are pulling and stretching to “make” a loophole instead of just luistening to God’s plain truth. Thanks for your kindness, but I also view that as a way to suck me into going where I should not. I don’t want any donkey talking to me.

        • Alice Spicer March 12, 2015 at 9:57 pm

          Oh I was going to ask about that, and then I saw this comment. I bookmarked the link for later.

          • Lanny A. Eichert March 13, 2015 at 12:50 am

            Stagnant, Alice, stagnant existence: nothing in / nothing out. That’s the final condition of the damned. Why bother yourself with more imaginations from Santo Calarco? Everlasting, ἀΐδιος aïdios

          • Stephen Helbig March 13, 2015 at 1:02 am

            Thanks for bookmarking 2nd link provided¸.☆¸.✿¸.•°*”˜ƸӜƷ˜”*°•.•.¸ღ¸☆´´’It’s a Good Read!

            ƸӜƷ ~✿´´¯`•.¸¸. ི♥ྀ.(¯`v´¯)
            `*.¸.*.♥.✿´´¯`•.¸⁀°♡•.¸ … Love in Christ Jesus … Savior of the world (kosmos)

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