Church 2.0

Church 2.0

Miscellaneous Monday

The Internet, considering the scope of human history, is in its infancy, yet it is already revolutionizing the meaning of the hijacked word “church.”  Web 2.0 refers to the way the Internet has evolved so that people can come together to collaborate on projects, “harnessing collective intelligence,” (Tim O’Reilly) sharing information both new and long-forgotten.  Consequently, the institutional church is being turned upside-down and inside out, with the very nature of authority being redefined by the fact that many teachings of authors, theologians, and pastors are finally, after so many centuries of darkness, being exposed to the light of scrutiny.  Controversial subjects that were once relegated to the pastor’s office are now being examined in the marketplace, where the men in suits have no power to shut down productive conversations. We are now only beginning to see how God is demonstrating to the world the fundamental difference between institutions run by handfuls of people who have everything to lose if the institution in its current state fails and the organic, non-commercialized, collaborative body of Christ (the real church), and it is with a great sense of excitement and expectation that we move into a new century in the Reign of Christ.

  • Lanny A. Eichert February 11, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Yes, Alice, share your ignorance and rebellion. The Holy Bible stands:

    Not every one … shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

    Jesus said so. {Matthew 7: 21}

  • Edy T Johnson February 12, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Isn’t it exciting! I regularly thank the Lord for all those who had a part in developing this remarkable technology for bringing Christ to the nations! God bless ’em real good! 🙂

  • Stephen Helbig February 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    To quote a Dear Sister in the Lord, ~ “A great revival is quietly happening whether the “Church”… (hijacked word) “likes it or not. It cannot be stopped. Like the printing press in the Reformation… the Internet belongs to God.”

    Grace and peace from one member of the ~
    ~ the organic, non-commercialized, collaborative body of Christ ~
    ƸӜƷ ~✿´´¯`•.¸¸. ི♥ྀ.(¯`v´¯)
    *.¸.*.♥.✿´´¯`•.¸⁀°♡ …Love in Christ
    … stephen

    • admin February 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm

      Hey! I remember that! LOL, it feels weird to be quoted…

  • Mary Vanderplas February 12, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    I like what you say about the ways the Internet has broadened the discussion of theological issues and facilitated the critical evaluation of the writings of leaders on the part of the masses. I agree that these are positive developments and that, to the extent that leaders in the institution are threatened by them, the leadership of the institution is exposed as flawed. It strikes me as simplistic, though, to label the institution as an imposter and to identify those believers outside of the institution who share information as the “real church.” By the biblical definition, the real church is present wherever and whenever Christ is confessed as Lord and the reign of God is embodied and enacted. That this can and does happen both within and outside the institution seems hard to deny. I don’t disagree that the institution shows itself to be deficient often enough, particularly, as you point out, when leaders act to preserve their hold on power at the expense of a commitment to truth-seeking. But I don’t think that the institution can justly be dismissed as less than the authentic church. Neither do I think that acts of community outside the institution are somehow above the corrupting influences of sinful human nature and of the evil powers that pervade the world.

    • admin February 12, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      I don’t exclude people who attend the institution from the “real church” – I contrast the institution, the man-made system, with God’s system that includes people both in and out of the institution.

      • Mary Vanderplas February 13, 2013 at 6:29 am

        Fair enough. I’m sorry I misread what you said. I do think, though, that, as flawed as the man-made system is, there are things within it that are in accord with God’s purpose for the church, that the distinction between what is God-ordained and what is not of God is not as clear-cut as organic, collaborative body of Christ versus organized religion.

  • Lanny A. Eichert February 12, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Alice, you fail to distinguish the unregenerate church from the regenerate church. Just because people say they believe in God and Jesus doesn’t mean they are regenerated and members of God’s church. There is a false church which makes Jesus a Liar by their denial of eternal torment and any other denials they may make and twists of fundamental Scripture. The Internet has just given them a broader more public opportunity to proclaim their heresies more boldly.

    Yet the perfect literal Holy Bible still stands and includes what Jesus truthfully said {Matthew 7: 21 & 13: 42}

    Not every one … shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

    And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

  • Lanny A. Eichert February 12, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    See, Alice, your failure, to know Jesus came first as the Suffering Servant for human redemption and that He will come again to the earth as the Victorious King ruling with the rod of iron over the entire earth, is a display of your inability to understand any of the Holy Bible. No wonder you share your ignorance and rebellion in calling Jesus a Liar.

    Jesus truthfully said {Matthew 7: 21 & 13: 42}

    Not every one … shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

    And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    • admin February 13, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Are you implying that the character of Christ changes?

      • Lanny A. Eichert February 13, 2013 at 11:48 pm

        Alice, what did God change when He became incarnate?
        This mind … in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. {Philippians 2: 5 – 8}
        What does the Holy Bible say, my dear girl? Did He change His specific character IAW Scripture? Are these words meaningless?

        • admin February 14, 2013 at 9:04 am

          I see your point, but this has to do with position, not character.

          • Lanny A. Eichert February 14, 2013 at 2:44 pm

            Alice, in His position of fully human, He voluntarily limited His exercise of His deity. He limited the expression of His divine character. He became in form a servant, that is a character change from the Despot Ruler of His creation.

            Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; {2 Thessalonians 1: 6}

            How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? {Revelation 6: 10}

            Alice, the first time: God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. {John 3: 17} But still at the same time: this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. {John 3: 19} So the condemnation was unavoidable in the redemption provision. Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. {Acts 17: 31} So: now {God} commandeth all men every where to repent {Acts 17: 30} or else they perish in judgment unto the Lake of Fire in eternal torment.

            Don’t you see Jesus will be different in character then than He was on the earth. His character is different NOW seated at His Father’s right hand than it was on the earth. He will have even another character when He come to take His Church to His Father’s house. He will have another character when He is victorious at Armageddon. He will have another character when He comes as the Victorious King ruling with the rod of iron over the entire earth from Jerusalem as the promised Messiah. He will have another character when He is the Temple in the New Heaven and New Earth.

            No, Alice, Jesus doesn’t remain the loving meek Lamb of God in all ages as you try to promote. That’s why I used references outside the First Advent to show you that. The First Advent didn’t change God from a previous bully to a now new permanent lover. He is the Righteous Judge forever. Redemption, itself, indicates His eternal sense of justice necessitated by making us in His image with volition.

            Prophetically Jesus said {Matthew 7: 21 & 13: 42}
            Not every one … shall enter into the kingdom of heaven
            And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

            • admin February 14, 2013 at 8:05 pm

              I disagree. God’s character does not change. Jesus is already appearing, our Victorious King, in the hearts and minds of those who see Who He is and what He is doing, even now (not waiting until later). He will, indeed, bring all things into subjection to Himself, but He will not do it by way of violence. You are reading too much into the apocalyptic language of the ancient writers. Meekness is not weakness. Jesus was the manliest man of all, crucified when He could have obliterated His enemies with one word.

              • Lanny A. Eichert February 15, 2013 at 1:22 am

                Obliterated and He will right into the eternal Lake of Fire immediately following final judgment: depart from Me. So it is apocalyptic language now, is it, just like Mary says and you follow? Look who’s reading too much into it. You don’t have a leg on which to stand. Disagree all you want in your rebellion, but it will not change truth at all as written in the perfect literal Holy Bible.

                Prophetically Jesus said {Matthew 7: 21 & 13: 42}
                Not every one … shall enter into the kingdom of heaven
                And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

  • Patrick Strickland February 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Des Walter once said when he was visiting a pastor in India that as they were leaving to go to a Sunday service they ran into a man who asked them

    “Are you going to church to worship?”

    Where upon the man who he was with said, “No we are the church going to go worship God.”

    Great post

    God Bless


    • admin February 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      Go to church vs being the church – HUGE difference!

      • Patrick Strickland February 15, 2013 at 2:10 pm

        Absolutely true!! unfortunately one that many do not clearly see.

        Grace and peace Patrick

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